01-18-2015, 12:51 AM
Not to say this is a bad story, but one of a club working diligently with the local city council to rectify what might become a problem within the politicians eyes. This is in Wisconsin. I thought all they had up there was cheese and cows? Just Kidding. Love the cheese but it blocks me up.
http://www.wqow.com/story/27863579/2015/...-detecting
As individual detectorists we have an obligation to instruct and nurture new detectorists in all aspects of our ethics and methods. Especially if the cities we work in are becoming fearful of detecting in general and the methods we use to dig. I think this is an important issue that each of us here, and those who detect in city parks, should address with every detectorist we meet or know so as to keep our integrity and respect of public property to the forefront of our hobby. I wouldn't want some knucklehead digging up my front lawn either. Take my word for it, they spend a fortune, by our standards, keeping the parks great. That's just the way it is. Nationwide, city budgets are shrinking and excess maintenance on fields, with workers spending extra time repairing holes, the legal liability of children breaking an ankle on un-repaired fields, and just the manpower issue alone, could become a real financial issue. I know our motto is, "Leave it like you found it.", but can we be liable for everyone out there detecting and how do we solve this?
I think this club in Wisconsin has the right idea.
The finds issue is another story. England has adopted a fair and nominal percentage system which is workable to a degree through a historic finds council that they have set up in the local areas. Rules on permits issued to me, in my state, inform that (possibly) historic objects found must be turned over and be considered property of the State/Park System and a fair value will be evaluated when the judgement comes in. Pretty vague in my opinion.
Personally, I think that these rules refer to finds made on historic, on the road, State Historical areas, possible homestead areas, etc... Basically, I feel that if I find something of such importance, gauged by my research and work into the area I am detecting, that it is a fair deal if I get credit for the discovery and some compensation if it were an important enough find. If it were just an important relic I wouldn't want compensation, just the recognition that it was a discovery made by Ed Szklarz/Ohio Dirt Fisher, while metal detecting in that area. That'd be real nice. A milestone I would think.
And I know that we could talk the, "We pay taxes.", issue all night long. But, and this is sincere, reality says they are giving me permitted rights and as a taxpaying citizen, I have to abide by them. In their legal structure, which at this point the Rangers haven't given me a problem with, I detect their property extensively.
So if and when I would make such a discovery, the moral issue is the ethics of detecting. Of course, I would do the right thing. Because I think the people that gave me the permit, in my case for free, well they should be informed. I can't imagine what I would find that they would want to know about, but if I run across it, I'll let them know. And that's not to be funny. Just to ask myself the question of what is, and what is not an important find.
How do you honestly feel about this?
Ed
http://www.wqow.com/story/27863579/2015/...-detecting
As individual detectorists we have an obligation to instruct and nurture new detectorists in all aspects of our ethics and methods. Especially if the cities we work in are becoming fearful of detecting in general and the methods we use to dig. I think this is an important issue that each of us here, and those who detect in city parks, should address with every detectorist we meet or know so as to keep our integrity and respect of public property to the forefront of our hobby. I wouldn't want some knucklehead digging up my front lawn either. Take my word for it, they spend a fortune, by our standards, keeping the parks great. That's just the way it is. Nationwide, city budgets are shrinking and excess maintenance on fields, with workers spending extra time repairing holes, the legal liability of children breaking an ankle on un-repaired fields, and just the manpower issue alone, could become a real financial issue. I know our motto is, "Leave it like you found it.", but can we be liable for everyone out there detecting and how do we solve this?
I think this club in Wisconsin has the right idea.
The finds issue is another story. England has adopted a fair and nominal percentage system which is workable to a degree through a historic finds council that they have set up in the local areas. Rules on permits issued to me, in my state, inform that (possibly) historic objects found must be turned over and be considered property of the State/Park System and a fair value will be evaluated when the judgement comes in. Pretty vague in my opinion.
Personally, I think that these rules refer to finds made on historic, on the road, State Historical areas, possible homestead areas, etc... Basically, I feel that if I find something of such importance, gauged by my research and work into the area I am detecting, that it is a fair deal if I get credit for the discovery and some compensation if it were an important enough find. If it were just an important relic I wouldn't want compensation, just the recognition that it was a discovery made by Ed Szklarz/Ohio Dirt Fisher, while metal detecting in that area. That'd be real nice. A milestone I would think.
And I know that we could talk the, "We pay taxes.", issue all night long. But, and this is sincere, reality says they are giving me permitted rights and as a taxpaying citizen, I have to abide by them. In their legal structure, which at this point the Rangers haven't given me a problem with, I detect their property extensively.
So if and when I would make such a discovery, the moral issue is the ethics of detecting. Of course, I would do the right thing. Because I think the people that gave me the permit, in my case for free, well they should be informed. I can't imagine what I would find that they would want to know about, but if I run across it, I'll let them know. And that's not to be funny. Just to ask myself the question of what is, and what is not an important find.
How do you honestly feel about this?
Ed